关于小马的运动量,请教各位老师

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对于一匹不到4岁的温血公马,什么样的运动量算是合适?

运动量是应该逐渐加大,还是在它年轻的时候保持住相应的运动量?

以前骑乘的纯血马的运动量每天是一个小时,每周5-6天。对于不到四岁的小马,是应该按建议的每周活动3次,每次在20分钟,还是应该逐渐加大运动量?

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qiuqiuba 发表于 2008-11-11 22:25:00

恐怕要结合马的基础进行. 从来没训练过的, 和已经有一定训练的, 训练起点相应应该是不一样的.

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pessoa 发表于 2008-11-12 20:12:00
你打算自己调马么?这个工作有点冒风险 h4v6sY
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Numen 发表于 2008-11-13 01:05:00

能具体说说吗? h4v6sY
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金色桅杆 发表于 2008-11-13 13:35:00

看的出来,PESSOA 老师是不赞成你自己调马的。

 

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半血 发表于 2008-11-13 16:20:00

温血马 还是专业人员调,比较好.

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pessoa 发表于 2008-11-18 10:50:00

By Manolo Mendez

Head Rider from the Royal Spanish School in Jerez (home of the 2002 World Equestrian Games) continues his series of articles on training the horse … from the very first kindergarten days all the way to Grand Prix.  In this article, he tells us about how to develop balance and rhythm in the young horse, and how any factor inhibiting freedom of movement works against good training.

 
 

The training of the young horse continues in the way described in Articles 1-3, practising small, easy figures and working  towards (but not expecting at this stage) perfect balance and rhythm.  The rider makes sure that all previous training is being confirmed for the horse, by constantly strengthening the foundations, and making sure the horse understands.  This builds confidence.  We need to know that the Grand Prix horse will be able to read us easily and subtly at the end of his career – this is what we are working towards with the young horse.

The horse should be in daily work now of 45 minutes – walk, trot and canter. It is best to start with walk, but sometimes a young horse may be unsettled and not listening, and we may need to start with a canter.  We have to read our horse and work him as he needs. The rider at this stage must be very careful how he asks for everything; it would be too easy to push for too much, too soon.

Let a horse enjoy his work.  A young horse needs to have an open body and a long neck, slowly developing the right muscles in the right places.  To become an athlete, a human might go to the gym five days a week to develop his body slowly with the right exercises.  It is the same for a young horse.


Let a horse enjoy his work.  A young horse needs to have an open body and a long neck, slowly developing the right muscles in the right places.  To become an athlete, a human might go to the gym five days a week to develop his body slowly with the right exercises.  It is the same for a young horse.

Good balance and rhythm can be developed in all horses

Many horses trot slowly with a small step.  This may not look exciting, but it is his natural rhythm The rider must be very patient, and understand that this horse is not worse than other horses.  He will get strong, he will give us everything he can and, if the training is good and makes allowances, he will become beautiful in his own right.  He will build the right muscles and eventually find his own rhythm.  Just try to help him maintain his natural rhythm and balance; do not push harder because he may run and rush.  

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pessoa 发表于 2008-11-18 10:50:00

Incorrect training makes horses sore

Horses will do their best because they are kind.  But sometimes, so as not to destroy balance and rhythm, we have to do things the book doesn’t tell us; to worry less about getting it to look perfect.  Putting the emphasis on looking perfect can cause bad communication and make a young horse confused.    We are training – not looking for points in a competition. The aim of training a horse is not competition.  Training is an end in itself.  Making a horse as supple, flexible and beautiful as it can be as an individual is the ultimate goal.

We want the horse to develop his own balance and rhythm to the best of his athletic ability, and so we are very careful with the horse’s frame.  We watch what the horse is doing with the hocks because that is what he is doing with his nose.  If his nose is behind the vertical, the hocks cannot come through to cover enough ground to create natural suspension.  He may get the hocks high, but in a way that is bad for his body because he will lose the angle of the shoulder.  The more experienced horse has to lift his knee a certain way to do piaffe. The knee to the shoulder becomes a different angle, and this angle must correspond with the angle in the hindquarter.  Every part of the horse must work together to perform the advanced movements.  If one piece is not working correctly, the whole horse cannot do the movement properly. The suspension and flexion is in the spine. When the spine is not “connected”, the horse is “missing” in his movement.  The horse can move his legs and body, but he is moving them without his spine being connected, and the result is stiff and not involving the whole body.   The horse becomes hollow.

The hollow horse can’t perform without hardship, and therefore cannot develop its own balance and rhythm to its fullest potential.  A hollow horse cannot lift its belly and back.  The vertebrae are jammed shut.  When the horse’s back is up, the vertebrae are open.  When the back is lifted, the hips and tail get lower.

One of the main reasons for horses breaking down when they should be in the prime of life is incorrect training – ie., training that prevents a horse from developing in gentle stages his own balance and rhythm, and/or forces him into advanced movements before he is physically capable. Working a young horse incorrectly – ie., working him behind the vertical - or allowing or causing  him to use one side of his body more than the other – ie., too much use of  one rein - causes the horse to develop crookedness and stiffness.

There are many other factors that can prevent the horse from working freely, even when the training is correct.  These are all too often overlooked by riders and trainers.  In fact, it is extremely rare to see a ridden horse in any discipline or at any level of training in any part of the world that is not sore in one or more parts of his body. 

Foot problems associated with shoes and/or incorrect trimming are one of the greatest and most common causes of discomfort and pain.  This is one of the main reasons horses start to break down in their work at only 12-14 years of age, and why so many horses have ringbone or similar lameness problems at only 15-16 years. 

A too narrow or too small saddle is painful for the horse.  If it is placed too far forward, on the wither, a saddle will inhibit the horse from moving his shoulder freely.  Tight girths also cause discomfort and pain.  An uncomfortable saddle and/or a tight girth prevents the horse from opening its ribs and breathing deeply, and thus from taking in enough oxygen to enable him to use his muscles correctly.

A stiff or crooked rider can also make a horse sore, stiff or crooked.  Also, inappropriate bits (or insensitive hands on the reins) cause pain in the mouth.

“Acceptance” of the bit in the young horse

There is a common misconception that a young horse must learn “accept” the bit.   There is no need, and we should not be in a hurry to make the young horse accept the bit.  Bring the horse slowly up with very simple exercises, as explained in these training articles, till he learns to carry himself, and the weight from the rider.  There is a lot for the young horse to learn to accept besides the bit.

Forcing a young horse to accept the bit can cause him to lean on the bit and go on the forehand.  A horse can go over the bit (using the wrong muscles in his neck) or behind the bit (behind the vertical) to avoid the pain caused by a strong hand.  This will make a horse’s spine stiff.  He will rush through corners, drop the shoulder to the inside, and his circles will get smaller as he falls.  This creates an ugly picture both to look at - now and in the future, because the horse will not have a long future, working this way.  It puts too much pressure on the joints, ligaments and bones, etc.

Strong rein contact also causes problems for the young horse.  When the contact is hard and unfeeling, the horse cannot respond.  We can see this too often at the higher levels, when riders need to have their hands up to their chest to “lift” the horse for piaffe and passage.  If they lowered their hands, the horses’ heads and necks would just drop because they would feel insecure.  This reflects a flaw in the foundations of the training.  We shouldn’t have to lift a horse up with the reins.

The contact between hands and the horse’s mouth should be minimal – and this is what we should aim for from the very first when training a young horse.  Never bring the horse behind the vertical or to cause it to be frightened of stretching out in case its mouth is hurt. Riding a young horse behind the vertical is a big mistake.  Through all work, including transitions, the horse must stay in front of the vertical.  

Developing natural balance and rhythm leads to true collection

True impulsion actually requires a number of things, a combination of many things - regularity of stride, the rider's ability to combine subtle use of leg pressure with hands used softly, in harmony, and with give and take.  This is finding the balance between the horse’s movement and yours.   Provided you are in harmony with your horse’s movement, you are moving closer towards creating cadence and lightness, and therefore on your way to creating true collection. 

This of course brings us back to the importance of those initial phases when we are developing balance and rhythm in the young horse.

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bee_kid 发表于 2008-11-18 12:36:00
A good gift! Thanks a lot!!! h4v6sY
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无马 发表于 2008-11-18 16:39:00

It's really an excellent piece of article that addresses all the risks which may involve in the training of a

young horse.  The difficulties of training a good horse is far beyong the words we can express in paper. 

Just don't know how many of us in China can really understand the hardwork of the people have

invested in their whole lives.  Training a young horse could be very boring, routined, and time

consuming, if we don’t have the required temperament, professionalism, and patience in place. 

Nowadays, people tend to imitate the outcome by simply acquiring the finished products instead of

producing them on our own. 

Training a young horse is no way like “fast food”.  That’s nothing instant at all, except that you buy

the result.  What Manolo mentions is actually about “time”, “knowledge”, and “patience”. 

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全球通 发表于 2008-11-18 19:23:00

对于Numen存在的现实问题是在国内要找到真正理想的调马师几乎是不可能的。

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JOSE 发表于 2008-11-19 11:18:00
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pessoa 发表于 2008-11-19 14:14:00

调教马分很多部分,基础的从备鞍开始,调教索训练和平衡节奏的训练等等,作为不同层次的调教师应该有自己的侧重工作,高级的调教师负责解决问题,比如某个科目的改善训练。越是高级的马匹所花费的费用越高。

从NUMAN的情况来看,他需要请专业的基础马术调教师制定训练计划,并且给于马匹正确的训练来建立节奏和平衡。自己训练需要教练员在场地中指导,完成力所能及的训练科目。在年轻阶段建立良好的服从性很重要,又不要要求太多,让马匹厌倦训练。训练科目和场地要经常变换,达到训练要求就可以结束,不要做太多不适合马匹的训练。记得去年有个四岁马舞步测试的科目,路线简单,充分照顾这个年龄马匹的生理和心理条件。

国外马匹的训练也不是都有大调教师,就算是高水平的调教师也不见得能搞懂每一匹马,我们和调教师唯一可以做到一样的就是不断学习。这是你和马匹进步的唯一方式。作为马主要信任自己聘请的调教师,尊重训练计划和教练员的要求,不要太自以为是。我们很常见的一个通病是看不起国内的教练员,眼高手低。还是有不少现役和退役骑手可以完成基础调教工作的。如果你的目标是奥运会,那么你另外准备钱买马,而且不要运回来。作为业余爱好者,你选择买温血小马就应该准备好调教的计划,不应该是买回来再看,那样比较盲目。你定的目标太大,风险就大,花费就大,所以切实地训练好基础马术是最切实际的,如果你要骑自己的马完成高级别的比赛,只有买成熟马,算下来节约时间和费用。毁一匹马有可能练出个骑手,然后还要不断毁马,没办法,这就是这项运动的成本。

别太悲观,学习学习再学习,这是进步的根本。

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全球通 发表于 2008-11-19 15:24:00
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以下是引用pessoa在2008/11/19 14:14:00的发言:

调教马分很多部分,基础的从备鞍开始,调教索训练和平衡节奏的训练等等,作为不同层次的调教师应该有自己的侧重工作,高级的调教师负责解决问题,比如某个科目的改善训练。越是高级的马匹所花费的费用越高。

从NUMAN的情况来看,他需要请专业的基础马术调教师制定训练计划,并且给于马匹正确的训练来建立节奏和平衡。自己训练需要教练员在场地中指导,完成力所能及的训练科目。在年轻阶段建立良好的服从性很重要,又不要要求太多,让马匹厌倦训练。训练科目和场地要经常变换,达到训练要求就可以结束,不要做太多不适合马匹的训练。记得去年有个四岁马舞步测试的科目,路线简单,充分照顾这个年龄马匹的生理和心理条件。

国外马匹的训练也不是都有大调教师,就算是高水平的调教师也不见得能搞懂每一匹马,我们和调教师唯一可以做到一样的就是不断学习。这是你和马匹进步的唯一方式。作为马主要信任自己聘请的调教师,尊重训练计划和教练员的要求,不要太自以为是。我们很常见的一个通病是看不起国内的教练员,眼高手低。还是有不少现役和退役骑手可以完成基础调教工作的。如果你的目标是奥运会,那么你另外准备钱买马,而且不要运回来。作为业余爱好者,你选择买温血小马就应该准备好调教的计划,不应该是买回来再看,那样比较盲目。你定的目标太大,风险就大,花费就大,所以切实地训练好基础马术是最切实际的,如果你要骑自己的马完成高级别的比赛,只有买成熟马,算下来节约时间和费用。毁一匹马有可能练出个骑手,然后还要不断毁马,没办法,这就是这项运动的成本。

别太悲观,学习学习再学习,这是进步的根本。

建立信心,先要较清晰地确立一下自己在今后想要使他达到的比较现实的调教目标。(比如是将来要他能考上清华或是上北大)“从NUMAN的情况来看,他需要请专业的基础马术调教师制定训练计划

小学生的基础教育非常重要,但并不是说就非得找个大学教授。更不可急于求成拔苗助长,小学生就是小学生,他的身体条件,理解力,学习能力都还处在未成熟的发展阶段,他只能理解算数,不可以教他微积分。小学生最重要的是将身体得到良好的发育成长。对待儿童更需要耐心和关爱,这一阶段要建立与人的亲善信任顺从关系,暴力虐待千万使不得。需要开启他运动的天赋,柔韧性,平衡性。儿童的体力和注意力较弱,应快乐学习,在玩中学习,要把学习搞得感觉和玩似的有意思,轻松愉快。压力太大,厌倦了,就会变成被动的,将来就很难再发挥出主观能动性。洋儿子都已收养过来了,只有硬着头皮想想办法吧。咱大家也得给你鼓鼓劲

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Numen 发表于 2008-11-19 21:09:00

谢谢各位老师给予的答复,尤其谢谢pessoa老师。其实,我并不打算自己调教马,自我评价一下,我既缺乏那样的技术,也缺乏那样的耐心。我找的是一个非常好的骑师来帮助我,可是,到今天我们还没有定下一个基本的调教方案。也许我这个人做事的风格,没有计划心里总觉得不太踏实。比如到四岁马能够完成什么样的动作?要完成这些动作需要训练马的哪几方面?这些训练需要安排多长时间?是一个什么样的递进过程?我到现在心里没底。也许骑师有他自己的经验,他会根据马的不同的状态安排具体的训练内容,但就像看孩子上学,家长也许应该知道学到那堂课了和该学什么了,要不然心里始终会惴惴不安。

对我而言,骑马只是娱乐,是一种放松的生活方式,所以我并不想把马调教到什么很高的水平。即便是欧洲,好的血统的马也不见得都能成为出色的运动马,我也只需要一匹健康、安全的乘骑马。之所以买温血马,是因为温血马的跳跃和纯血马有很大的差别,在欧洲,我骑调教好的马超越1.30米比国内骑纯血马跳1.1米都觉得安全,因为能感觉到马的动力与跳跃的愿望。(我以前骑乘国内的纯血马很多不是在跳越1.10米因动力不足打杆摔倒;就是见到障碍就发起冲锋,当然这和骑乘它们的一些骑手有关)。我买温血马,就是想在偶尔我犯错的一些时候,它能帮助我,不会造成马翻人倒那样的壮烈情景,所以需要在它年轻的时候,打下一个良好的基础。

再次感谢各位前辈给予的资料和中肯的意见,我想它对我和我的调教师会有很大的帮助。谢谢了!

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